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SnufkinJames

PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:13 am




I think I should atleast ask this, because I'm not really sure how to deal with it.

I've been waiting for a few weeks, for the next FTM meet up to come around. And it's been quite simple really, meet up with one of the guys that run it.. and then walk round to the actual meet up.
It's hard, as I'm a very shy and anxious person.. but I thought, "it's just one guy at first.."

Yesterday the guy told me he wasn't attending this months' meet. And to just go to a coffee shop, before the scheduled meet.. and meet a group of some of the members at once.

Fair to say it left me completely losing my marbles. As that seems almost impossible for me.. I've never met another transman before. I completely fail with people. And there's a group of men, that I actually have to SPEAK to.
Not in a bad way.. just in a deer in headlights kind of way.

Can guys just tell me about their first meet.. Any advice on walking up to them and actually saying coherent words.. and general do's and don'ts.

I know they are just people in the end, that's not what I'm getting at. There's no secret I need to know.. I have this problem with most things involving people.. but this one is really important, that I really don't want to screw it up.

So any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:44 am


Firstly, congrats! This is a big step and it makes me smile to read your post.

Secondly, remember that everyone in the group has been there before. They may not remember it, or know exactly how to deal with newcomers, but all of them know that it's a nerve-wracking thing and there's a lot of anxiety and pressure in coming to a group meeting for the first time. So know that even if you show up, get wide-eyed, maybe shaky, maybe giddy, and either stay quiet or don't stop asking questions, it's all totally OK and no one will judge you for it.

Two personal experiences:
-This happens no matter how many trans men you've met. Not the, "OMG I'm meeting a trans man." but the newness for groups. I finally went to our local trans center for the first time not even a month ago (or just a month ago?) and it was the same awkward thing. I was meeting older trans men in a peer-setting for the first time, and it was a new place I'd never been to. I sat quietly and the moderator asked me a lot of (tbh, rude) questions, but I just participated only a little bit and then left promptly. Though I've ran a group up in my town for three years and know dozens of trans men, this was still a very similar experience to meeting one or going to a group for the first time,

-When I first came out and met trans people it was a very odd experience. I don't remember if I hadn't met a trans person before college or not; I know I'd seen some obvious ones, but I don't know if I'd actually met any. But, when I got here, I quickly met several trans people. Part of that was because our campus center was hosting the trans conference in October my freshman year, so I met some well-known trans people too, and quickly got to know some students and staff who were involved in the conference. One of the first trans guys I met passes very well, so I actually didn't even know until he told me; I just thought he was an ally. Anyway, so that I don't keep blabbing on and on, the point is that I was a very quiet, nervous person back then and probably awestruck by many of the people I met. Part of this was being a college freshman, and part of it was meeting real-life transsexuals! Wow! I wish I could remember more, but this is where it ties back in to my second point. Everyone has been there, and even they don't remember specifics, they will be supportive and won't mind if you act in whichever way.

A third anecdote I just remembered: One of my friends from the trans guy "group" (we're really just friends, just more organized, lol) I'm in told me recently that we had actually met at the trans conference last year. It took me about ten minutes until I finally remembered this gal that had tracked me down and asked about the trans support group, and was acting reeeeeeeaaally nervous, really unsure about if it were OK to ask, what to ask, etc. I can't even connect the two together, 'cause he's now 8? months on T and totally outgoing, etc. So yeah, I was totally expectant of how he was a year ago being in a group and used to the random newcomer, but I also don't even really remember it or judge him on that because by coming out he's changed a lot and grown really confident, and again, everyone is that way when they're new, so why would I judge him on that?

I know this is kinda disorganized, but I hope it helps.

Thambos


Nios
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:32 am


I can relate to this quite well Nate! Not the exact situation, but similar.

I was struggling a lot when I was first coming out and finally one day I just really needed someone to talk to face to face. With no clue how to find local trans people, naively assuming I must be the only trans guy in my entire province, I made a post on a Livejournal community simply asking if there was anyone from Nova Scotia. I got a single reply. We met at a cafe near my university right after class. He was quite a bit older, with grey hair. I think he had recently started T. I was amazed though. He looked great and I could hardly believe he was trans at all. I was incredibly shy and had no idea what to talk about, but he gave me the assurance that things were possible even here in my little city. He told me about a local group of men that meet, and about an upcoming lunch he was attending.

It was the lunch is what reminded me of your situation, Nate. My friend canceled last minute because he was sick, but he encouraged me to go. I was completely nervous and hesitant, not only going somewhere I'd never been before, but also going alone and meeting a bunch of people I'd never met before. I didn't realize until I arrived there, that this wasn't just a few trans people meeting for lunch, but that this was a transgender conference! There were trans people everywhere! I didn't know what to do, where the people I was supposed to be meeting were, or anything. Eventually one of the guys who'd I'd spoken to briefly via e-mail noticed me and waved me over to their table. Not knowing anyone and still being so new to all of this and unsure of myself, I kept quite quiet. Little did I know that some of the people I was eating lunch with famous within the trans community, that one of the people was going to be my future therapist, and a few of them were going to become my friends. Even though I didn't speak much, I learned so much so fast. It was then that I was hearing how voices sounded on testosterone, that I heard people talking about their upcoming chest surgeries, and about how happy they were with their lower surgeries. It was completely overwhelming, but I'm so happy that I was brave enough to go, and not skipped out due to fear.

After that I started attending the local trans men group. I couldn't even believe that there was such a thing. I quickly got to know all of the regulars. Everyone was quite a bit older than me. I was technically younger than I was supposed to be to attend the meetings because it was held at a mental hospital of all places, but I was allowed to attend as a "guest." Most of those guys were already on T and were in the process of surgeries. They met to pass on new information to each other, but mostly it was the social aspect of feeling like you were among people that understood you, even if we were all radically different from each other in personality and background. They were very open to answering any of my questions when I was brave enough to ask them, but mostly I just listened to them talk.

After a year the group sort of disbanded unofficially because we were all just getting so busy in our own lives. We keep in touch now and then through an online mailing list, but mostly if we want to catch up we do it individually. Due to losing the group, I found another group. This one was aimed at trans youth. Even more shocked than I was to learn that there were other guys around, was that there were other young guys around too. Through that group I made a lot of my closest friends. We're not friends because we're trans, but having that in common does bring a comfort to our relationships.

All in all, I think groups are wonderful. We all go to them for different reasons, we get different things out of them, and what we all offer our groups is different too. That's what's great. You never know who you're going to meet, if someone will be there that can help you with something, or someone will be there that needs your help, or if you'll all just have a laugh and a good time.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:02 pm


Thanks guys, I've found what you've both written to be very helpful.
I'm completely nervous as hell, but it helps to know that it's normal.

SnufkinJames


Traedon

PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:06 pm


I'm incredibly socially awkward as well, especially now that I'm living as male and I never even got the hang of socializing with females, so I sympathize. First time in a new place with new people can be hard, especially when you don't want to look like a dunce. Honestly, just try to be yourself, and even if you do come off looking like a dunce (I did, which I'll write about in a moment) it just gives you something to laugh about later, and everyone forgets eventually.

The first time I went to a trans youth group, I'd read about it a few times in various links but never had the time/courage to go. I had a Friday off of work for once, and no excuse not to go, so I showed up at 6. Not realizing it started at 6:30, I panicked and almost left right away. I called a friend to look it up for me and he gave me the real time, so I stuck around. I was dressed in interview clothes, which were mens, but I feel super awkward dressed up anyhow so it made it like three times worse. When the coordinators finally showed up I went and knocked on the door about five minutes later and said something stupid and non-specific that I can't recall, and the guy who answered the door just smiled and told me it was the trans youth group and invited me in. He took me aside for a small briefing everyone gets - confidentiality, respect, the usual stuff - as well as introducing himself. That night there was only myself and one other new person as the youth, because for some reason all the regulars hadn't shown, so conversation was a bit slow at first. I was so nervous I managed to knock over my cup of soda and made a mess, and didn't say much overall, but I still went back the next week and tried again. I've been going off and on (unfortunately, lately, more off than on) for over two years now, and it's the best thing ever. We have colouring books and puzzles and spontaneous pillow fights. We eat dinner and laugh and share experiences and offer support and listen to problems, though we do them as friends and not people sharing in a circle. I love it and the people.

My second introduction into a trans group happened when I was meeting the coordinator of the Transhealth Program in his office. I knew I wanted to start my transition but had to idea where to start, and he enthusiastically set about referring me to my psychiatrist, showering me with pamphlets, and talking my ear off. I had an advantage there, because I'd met him at a lecture a couple years earlier with the same convictions, and he remembered me. While I was still dazed he hauled me off to a trans meeting just starting a few offices away and dumped me in a chair in the corner. This one was very formal, with everyone arranged around a boardroom table giving their name, their story, and if they wanted to a problem that the discussion leader (I forgot to mention, the coordinators for my other group are all trans, as are most if not all the people who work in the Transhealth program) and others could offer suggestions. The other major difference was the age group: most of the people were MtFs in their fourties until well into their sixties, in various stages of transitions, and I was barely nineteen. I had almost nothing to say when the circle came around to me, and never went back to that group, only because I felt it did not benefit me rather than feeling like I wasn't welcome.
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